Episodes

May 26, 2022
May 26, 2022
50 min
Kelly Woods talks with Travis Dotson about lessons gathered from wildland fire incidents occurring in the 2021 fire year. This conversation centers around the Annual Incident Review Summary, a yearly publication based on an in-depth review and analysis of accident reports from the previous fire year. Tune in for some wild stories and a few handy lessons from real-life events.
Follow along or plan your next training day with the 2021 Incident Review Summary

Dec 16, 2021
Dec 16, 2021
57 min
Kelly Woods talks with Beth Lund and her daughter Allison Lund about the dynamics of two generations of the same family forging careers in wildland Fire. They highlight how even though things have changed across the years, that which grounds them remains the same. Beth and Allison also offer insights on leadership, identity, difficult decisions, and family.

Sep 16, 2021
Sep 16, 2021
53 min
Kelly Woods talks with Erik Apland about his assignment to read all of the entrapment reports housed in the LLC Incident Review Database. Erik provides perspective on the evolution of reports spanning over a century. He highlights how old reports contain modern topics and he also provides some unique thoughts on PPE. In addition, Erik discusses how reading the reports has changed him and will affect his future actions.

Jun 17, 2021
Jun 17, 2021
53 min
In a conversation with Travis Dotson, Chris Fry shares the powerful story of his entrapment and shelter deployment on the 2006 Mudd Fire. We learn several key details about what happened that day. Chris discusses the lessons he has gained during his healing process and how the post-deployment mental health aspects of his experience are what truly motivates Chris to share his story.
To see more documentation on the 2006 Mudd Fire:
Mudd Fire Engine Entrapment 2006 | Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Center (wildfire.gov)

Apr 22, 2021
Apr 22, 2021
49 sec
Travis Dotson and Alex Viktora discuss the Tree Felling Accident Analysis – a report comparing 53 different tree felling accidents.
Topics covered include:
- Predicting Tree Reactions
- Hung-Up Trees
- Helmets
- Two People at the Base
- Area Control
- Escape Routes
- Accidents During Training
If you have anything to do with chainsaws on the fireline…tune in.
Download the report at: Tree Felling Accident Analysis | Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Center (wildfire.gov)

Aug 3, 2020
Episode 20 - Command Presence
Aug 3, 2020
Aug 3, 2020
31 min
A conversation with Monica Morrison on Command Presence.
What is it?
What does it look and sound like?
How do you get it?

Mar 13, 2020
Episode 19 - Transitions
Mar 13, 2020
Mar 13, 2020
46 min
Travis Dotson and Brit Rosso have a great discussion about transitions, both on and off the fireline.
For more on this topic, check out the Fall 2018 issue of Two More Chains.

May 29, 2019
May 29, 2019
43 min
Andrew Addey is currently a Forest Training Officer, a position he landed after ten years on the Sawtooth Interagency Hotshot Crew.
Travis and Andrew chatted about a ton of important topics, including:
- Growing our perspective on the job of a Line Officer.
- Expanding our training beyond the "traditional" courses.
- The San Antonio Fire Hit by Tree and Medical Extraction.
- Preparing more than just radio drivers for emergency command roles.
- Learning from Military Crew Advisor assignments.

Jul 16, 2018
Episode 17 - Entrapments
Jul 16, 2018
Jul 16, 2018
38 min
Why Talk About Entrapments?
In January 2018, as part of work on the 2017 Annual Incident Review Summary, LLC staffers Travis and Alex recorded this discussion about entrapments. Listen to their wide-ranging conversation to find out more about entrapments, what they really are, why we're reluctant to use the term “Entrapment”—and why we should use this term more often.
To read more about entrapments in 2017, check out the 2017 Annual Incident Review Summary (Download Now).
Curious to know more about the Wagon Box incident that is discussed in this podcast? Check it out here.

May 28, 2018
Episode 16 - Bad Apples
May 28, 2018
May 28, 2018
29 min
In this podcast, Travis Dotson and Brit Rosso introduce the concept of the "Bad Apple" as it applies to the business of wildland fire. To do so, we take a close look at one of our heroes, Paul Gleason, and some decisions Paul made back in 2000 on a fire some of you may have never heard of.
For more on the topics of Bad Apples, Paul Gleason, and this mystery fire, be sure to check out the Spring 2018 Issue of Two More Chains.

